On May 10, Donald Trump sat down to speak with CNN’s Kaitlan Collins forCNN Town Hall.

The talk would quickly become Trump’s trademark mess of lies, bullish language, and insults.

During the talk, several questions were dodged aboutTrump’s legal troublesby Trump himself.

Donald Trump looking into camera

It’s interesting how the two of them stood up.

People typically do this when they need to release energy, for example in an argument.

When you stand your body can express itself more fully.

In other words, he has excess emotion that he is trying to keep in check."

Trump did not stop at insulting Collins, though.

He also mocked author E. Jean Carroll, to more cheers from the audience.

Despite this, Ponce believes Trump was holding back.

“He is trying to control his reaction.